@ols Hah, it just sounds so cool

@cherti

1. I know several unknown people who raised money during the 2011-2015 window and it was "fairly painless". Someone like Moxy would have had no trouble at all (of course this is an assumption and you know what they say when you assume...)

2. Sorry I think we diverged here. Yes, of course you have to build it. What I was saying is the way to build a matching binary isn't possible. In part because of what your other honk (toot) references. Encrypted/signed binaries. Yes, you're right you need a jailbroken iOS device for that piece. I get why Apple does this but it would be pretty good to be optional for devs, etc.

@ols So I did a google search and found this:

https://lobste.rs/s/ab1r64/what_are_you_doing_this_week#c_jr7fzy

Now I'm wondering if I should convert from FreeBSD servers to OpenBSD just to say I use this stack haha

@cherti

Few things.

1. Funding was not "hard" in 2013. Especially for the founder of Signal who already had a strong reputation. Not saying it's a sign of anything but I definitely understand why that makes peoples hairs stand up.

2. Your steps for a verifiable build are incorrect. The idea is to verify the version in the app store is the same as the build you'd do yourself. Right now they're not. Not even close actually. The app store version is half the size of the one you build yourself. That is very suspect.

3. I agree Durov is also suspect. Though as far as we know, normal messages are not stored in plain text not ONLY on servers in Dubai. Your point though is that default chat messages can be read, technically, by staff, which is true. Secret chats can not but those are not the default method. Totally fair and valid point. But I never bought the "Look over there, they're doing dumb things too" argument. Because Telegram does something dumb doesn't mean Signal also isn't.

I personally think it's silly to trust any of these messengers to actually have the users best interest at heart.

@cherti I think you're not understanding the point. For a "transparent" organization who's entire basis is to provide private and secure messaging service, the fact that you can't verify the build is worrying. They also closed the ticket and ignored the questions raised. That doesn't really put the most skeptical at ease.

Re: funding, it's the OTF. From Surveillance Valley in 2016:

Here’s the problem: Signal was created by the same spooky regime change outfits that fund the Tor Project. The money primarily comes through the federal government’s premier Internet Freedom venture capital outfit: Open Technology Fund, which works closely with the State Department’s regime change arm and is funded through several layers of Cold War CIA cutouts — including Radio Free Asia and the Broadcasting Board of Governors.

http://surveillancevalley.com/blog/government-backed-privacy-tools-are-not-going-to-protect-us-from-president-trump

If you wanna go down the rabbit hole about these organizations you'll probably also ask questions about why they're involved.

Another thing that really bothers me is they don't allow 3rd party clients, even though the protocol is open.

@horia Someone give Github a flu-shot.

@horia

@cherti I'm not sure how you got that. Signal does have suspect issues with it's funding and the fact you can't reproduce and verify the iOS build. If you see the referenced ticket there is more info as well as why is the official iOS file in the repo double the size of the file in the app store.

So until there is way to verify the build, like Telegram provides for both Android and iPhone, there is no guarantee that what's running on an iOS device is the same as what's in the Github repo.

Like I said yesterday to someone else, I do trust Signal to be legit and not to be doing anything fishy but in terms of life/death security, I don't think any messenger should be trusted.

@derekmorr This pains me every single one of the 100 times I have to open WhatsApp every day. Unfortunately in Latin America, business and communication all run on WhatsApp. I also have no choice but to use it.

@derekmorr I'm not saying she's tried but it does leave a scent in the air. I still use and trust Signal but I also wouldn't send anything I absolutely can't have any other person (except the recipient) read on it or any other messenger.

@crft I see you buddy:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AlpineLinux/comments/1cjjh3u/options_for_declarative_management/

@crft You lost me. What do you mean exactly?

@humitos Yes. Though my options are slightly limited but one thing that is just amazing is the Paella. If you ever plan to visit Gandia, make a reservation at Chef Amadeo (spelling?). It's life changing.

@crft I run Alpine 3.19 and works great. Still some weird microphone issues but with a headset it's fine so I keep putting off fixing it. Though I never had performance issues with Ubuntu or Debian on the same laptop in the past.

@ptd Now we're talking!

@ptd You just gonna completely skip web 3.1? I mean the revolution may just be a minor pivot away. Or at least provide one last avenue for grifters to enrich themselves.

@knapjack Hah, well I'm also way fatter and still drink so the blame lies else where.

Final update (because I know you care). I went to watch today's Champions League match and avoided beer completely. Instead I opted for Flor de Cana 12 yo rum. The world's best rum and product of Nicaragua. What was left of my hangover is now gone.

Final analysis is, drink good rum not good beer.

Update: I sweated a lot of the hangover out at the gym but now I feel exhausted. Like I need a nap.

Moral of the story is (in two parts):

1. Don't over drink dark beers. Especially in tropical climates.
2. Don't get old.

@crft You did something wrong bruh.

@john I like to live on the wild side so I drank it. Have to say it did improve my mood a bit.

@tedu @john Well after a quick response from Cyn (octodon.social admin), she confirms I'm not blocked. The mystery continues.

@john Yea I checked their mod server list and am not listed but doesn't mean I'm not blocked. Though I can't imagine what I could have done to be blocked by them but.. who knows.

@tedu Weird. Wonder why I have problems with them. Thx for confirming

@john @tmcfarlane @knapjack Just jumping in but I'm still in the same IRC channels as I've been for decades. One in particular since like 1996, same old crew. I've been in #freebsd since like 2003, #django since 2007. I love IRC and doubt I'll ever give it up.

I like to just leave an irssi client running in a tmux session on a cloud server so it's easy to just jump right back in whenever I have an internet connection.

@knapjack @az NGL, this is legit.

@drewdevault @khm @mntmn Also unsolicited but I've used Axiom Print for years. It's family business and a bit more manual process but the quality is excellent and pricing is fair.

@robin @philn Thankfully I've never used it.

@crft I love Sourcehut personally but if you're tied into the make account on forge+fork repo+clone+change+push+file PR/MR workflow, it won't be for you.

If your into clone repo + make change + run git send-email then you'll love it :)

@tedu @meena @misty You can also create a filter for a date range and mark it to send to Trash, run against existing emails, then empty trash. That's how I used to do it before just paying the $20/yr (but not for gmail, for photos)

Hah, totally forgot that as of today I'm officially back in the 1000lb club (1005lbs baby!)

@tedu lmfao!

dz: 3 body problem

@icy Honestly you could be right haha. I don't remember but the purpose of cancer guy (in the end) was definitely in the book. Same with weed guy. In the book I don't remember them being a group of friends like this but it's been like 5 years since I've read them so, I could be wrong too.

dz: 3 body problem

@icy I thought you read the books? Cancer dude has a purpose. As does weed dude, which also sets in motion in the final episode but it's years until he really comes into form.

@tedu Yea, I swore I'd give up heavy deads when I hurt myself but I couldn't stay away. It's a risky exercise honestly and not necessary but safe when done correctly. Just easy to lose focus and screw it up but I just love doing them.

@pronto Hey. You're alive. That's a relief.

@tedu 25+ years later and I still get the arg order wrong with ln like 50% of the time.

@icy @knapjack I also have issues adding new ppl there. Or using xzone on a post from there.

@icy Yea, it's odd because on other sites (who use Mastodon) the extension seems to work. Maybe @tvler has some ideas?

@icy Interesting. Still not working for me. Even when browsing your site. I'm using FF on Alpine Linux, maybe the FF extension has an issue. I don't even see the webfinger request coming in (at least the log statement isn't running). I'll toy around with this a bit later.

@icy Gotcha. Thought maybe I missed something.

@icy IG account natureismetal is pretty awesome.

@tedu @icy hahaha bare*

@icy @ptd @tedu Wonky, the federated wiki. I smell Ted's new AP project.

@icy I'm not one of these vegans that shames others, etc. I do my thing, it gets people to ask me a lot of questions (especially here in Latin America) and I answer honestly. Ie, I never went vegan for the animals, I did it to shut my daughter up (who's been vegan forever) and committed to 30 days. I felt so good I did another 30, then another. After 6mo, I decided I wasn't going back.

Then it slowly turned into compassion for the animals as well. So even at times when I see a In-n-Out double double or some bomb looking tacos and my mouth starts to water I remind myself about that compassion and set my cravings aside.

One thing I often get is "just like a lion eats an antelope, we eat animals too" - which I love to answer with, can you go kill a cow with your bear hands and mouth? If so, can you chew it up with your jaw and teeth? Can you eat it without cooking it and not get sick? I mean the argument is so dumb.

@ptd @tedu @icy We need a wiki for #honk terms

@knapjack I'm digging it.

@knapjack I really like PocketCasts. Also like that I can listen on my car and it syncs up where I left off so if I want, from my desk, I can continue listening via their web app. I think I paid like $20/lifetime membership or something like that. It was a few years ago though so that may no longer be an option.

@drewdevault Explains the question I had about why it's not hosted on SourceHut as well. Nice write up.

@icy Ugh!

@icy Really? I liked how quirky it was. The following books are better I think but I didn't have an issue with book one.

@penalbatoday You're confusing raw food (harvested) with diet (prepared food). If you don't understand the difference then there's nothing else to discuss.

So you understand, you can also have a very unhealthy vegan diet. French fries, processed foods, also lots of fried foods. These vegan burgers and "chicken" nuggets, etc. are terrible for you but people still eat them, myself included occasionally.

You said something dumb about offering more dietary options means gentrification and I simply said I didn't think it meant that. It's hilarious you're so upset that I called the typical nica diet unhealthy. I don't know a single nica (and all my friend group here is nica) who would disagree with that.

Hell my domestic employee just resigned for health reasons, caused solely by terrible diet (her doctors words, not mine). She's 24 years old and is starting the road into diabetes. All sugar, all oil, all fried, all sodas. We've tried to help her but she admits she can't stop eating that way. It's how she's always eaten.

@john Was just thinking about this the other day. All of that has disappeared.

@penalbatoday

@penalbatoday Hah, come on man. I buy all my fruits/veggies from Mayoreo or vendors in my local area. But stop acting like the typical nica diet includes a lot of vegetables. It doesn't. It's oil, sugar, various animal proteins, gallo pinto (fried rice/beans), and sugary drinks. Even the naturales have so much sugar it's hard to drink one (for me). I usually ask if they can make me one without sugar.

A salad in a typical nica restaurant is lettuce, tomato and onions.

Again, I'm only saying options are good, not "prejudice" against Nica food. Shit, I'm from EEUU, our diet is worse than Nica's.

@penalbatoday Not sure what hostel owners have to do with this but yea you're right about most of them lol. I mentioned Coca and fried foods because we're talking about diet. Are you seriously going to try and claim the typical nica diet is healthy?

I'm not even advocating for a change in diet completely but having options for those who don't want fritanga or another churrasco is a good thing.

As for gentrification, outside of SJDS, I can't think of a single place in the country that has any signs of it. Maybe small beach towns like El Transito and Popoyo/Guasacate but these are tiny towns where mostly (only?) foreigners are currently investing. I hope that changes with the coming Costa Nera.

@penalbatoday Obviously and I didn't claim they were. I said I didn't think vegan options are a sign of incoming gentrification but a sign of progress that Nica desperately needs in many areas. Especially diet. Fried everything and coca-cola instead of water isn't healthy long term.

@penalbatoday It's called progress. Something Nica needs a lot more of.

@tedu From a response:

aged like milk

Hah!

@knapjack That makes sense.

@knapjack Interesting. My "newest" one is 5 years old now and still works like a champ.

I've seen that honeywell one. I don't want to go too deep on it because of exactly the situation you're in right now.

@tedu Ugh, I should check that before writing you. Merged fine but obviously was something approved previously in my clone.